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Loot Dropping, Faction Territories, and FearRP! Oh my!
Guard55Date: Friday, 2013-03-29, 10:46 AM | Message # 1
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As the title of the thread explains, I need to talk about some certain issues when I'm usually online, if there is anybody on. However, it's a bit difficult for me to stay on long enough for EVERYBODY to get on. I live in Belgium, and I'm approximately 6 hours ahead of the U.S. Well aside from the point, I'm finding some problems on the server. One such problem I encountered, was that I found a person that had a LASER PISTOL. I don't quite remember who it was, but I immediately removed it from him. He complained to me saying that he legitimately found it and that recently one of the admins started dropping loot. Seeing as how the Enclave Armory was pretty secure and the fact that anybody who entered the bunker was immediately escorted out or most likely shot on sight and perma-killed, I asked him who the Admin was. He replied saying that he didn't remember who it was. Some days later, I encountered a similar problem, except this time a person had a freaking MINIGUN. I don't think an everyday wastelander happens to know how to operate a Minigun, or let alone find one so easily. He told me that one of the admins were dropping loot around, because there was little to no loot around the map. I took it away from him, but once again I forget who the person was. Anyways, the point I'm trying to make clear is that, you don't need a gun to roleplay. Oh and to stop dropping military-grade weapons around the wasteland. Most people I've met in Fallout have pretty primitive weapons, except some people. Although, those people have something unusual or special to them. For instance, a military background or former BoS or Enclave member. So, by no means necessary should high-tech weapons and gadgets be ever spawned around the wasteland by admins. Just saying, because I find it ridiculous that a Brahmin Rancher has a freaking AER-9 Laser Rifle and just so happens to find it under a wrecked car.

Another problem I encountered recently, was the lack of Fear RP and common sense when around Faction Territories. I'm not saying that you can't be curious, but I'm saying that if you see three or even one heavily armored enclave soldier wielding high-tech weaponry, then common sense would say to stay the hell away. Rhymes, I love them. I especially dislike the excuse of people "sneaking" into a heavily fortified enclave bunker and claiming that "Nobody" was around. If you saw Enclave Soldiers yesterday, then common sense would say that they're probably INSIDE the bunker. You know, the place where they live? Even if you're armed, chances of downing an Enclave Soldier or even remotely hurting one is astronomical. They have freaking power armor. A dinky .32 hunting rifle won't even penetrate that kind of armor. You would need high-caliber armor piercing rounds to do some damage. Even then, you would be out-gunned by superior military strength and training. Also, armor piercing rounds are EXTREMELY RARE in the wasteland. I know I'm sounding kind of harsh, but it's all common sense, unless your character has the intelligence level of 2. Even then, you would be outnumbered by an entire army of Enclave Soldiers inside the bunker. Just because Oocly Enclave members aren't online, you should treat it as if they were online and are just as dangerous. I would think it's Metagaming if you looked at the scoreboard, found no enclave members on, and decided to go inside because there was no danger OOCLY.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave_power_armor_(Fallout_3)

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Advanced_power_armor_(Fallout_2)

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave_soldier_(Fallout_3)

Fear RP! The term that many people don't seem to understand. Fear RP is where your ingame character or other characters are aware of some danger that is potentially life threatening or even simply afraid because of troubling news. By troubling news, I mean I would be pooping my pants if I learned that a Legion raiding party was about to attack our ill-equipped town and probably run away or get as far away as possible. I once encountered a sherrif and a deputy by the town, they came up to me with a freaking .32 hunting rifle and the other armed with a small revolver. Naturally, my character would be laughing his ass off at this ill-equipped rugged band of wastelanders. Why? Well because my armor would be able to stop a freaking rocket, let alone a .32 hunting rifle and revolver point blank. Yes, these two characters actually came up to me.. POINT BLANK and said that they were able to "find weakspots in my armor" and kill me because "they saw somebody do it before" . First off, not only is this completely ridiculous but I cannot even begin to tell you what is wrong with this situation. If I were a sherrif, and I saw an enclave soldier clad in advanced power armor with a MINIGUN, then I would stay the hell away. I would know immediately that I was ill-equipped to deal with a threat that enormous. Second, I facepalmed at the person when he said "I could find weakspoints in your armor, because I saw somebody do it before". Okay, has he studied military-grade armor that he has NEVER seen before up close? Does he even know if there are virtually NO weak points in the armor or if there even are? And when in their point in time did they see somebody find a weak point in the armor, and actually killed an Enclave Soldier point blank? Probably not at all. Also, who in their right mind would ever approach an Enclave Soldier POINT BLANK. Even if he fired a round at my body or head, the round would've ricocheted and would probably kill him. At that range, I could've tackled the man, crushed him and killed him, and killed the deputy with little damage to my armor. At that point I would naturally assume that any good Roleplayer would probably run away, for FEAR that he might die too. I didn't tackle the sherrif, I simply walked away because of the stupidity of the situation. There was no Fear RP involved in the situation. In fact, the Sherrif was actually SMILING while face-to-face with a heavily armored soldier. Listen, when somebody is vastly superior than you and more properly trained and equipped and can potentially end your life in a second, you should NOT go face-to-face with him. That's like going face-to-face with a DEATHCLAW. Am I upset? A little bit, because some people just don't understand the consequences of certain situations and the potentially life threatening people or things that can kill you in a heart beat. Even if a person armed with a 10mm pistol approached you, with the gun aimed at your head, you should be afraid because you know that any wrong move can end your life. It's purely common sense too. To prevent something like this from happening again, ask yourself this one question. What would you do in real life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet




Message edited by Guard55 - Friday, 2013-03-29, 10:53 AM
 
Dropped_ElkDate: Friday, 2013-03-29, 1:09 PM | Message # 2
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I  agree with you to an extent. Enclave troopers are indeed hard to kill but they are not invincible. And on the fear RP topic, Lets say  Enclave trooper is ALONE in the wastland and 4-6 Wastlanders come around and see this trooper if and only if they are armed with proper weaponry they could engadge the soldier and not be subjugated to Fail fear rp. but typicaly this will never be the case as Enclave are required to travel in squads of 4.



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Guard55Date: Friday, 2013-03-29, 1:41 PM | Message # 3
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This was an exception I think, you wan- I mean General What's His face wanted me to scout out the town.
Also, I'm not saying they're invincible. They can be killed with Armor Piercing rounds, but in this case they only had .32 ACP standard rounds. This was just two people.




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ElmagicboudhaDate: Saturday, 2013-03-30, 1:48 PM | Message # 4
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I think I need to clear some points.

1 ICly, do you really think I know what is a Power armore? To me, you're a dude with a metal armore with rubber as joints. Period.

2 ''Even if he fired a round at my body or head, the round would've ricocheted and would probably kill him.'' Yeah, the bullet would go right toward my head, not like your armor is round or something you know, it will CERTAINLY go right toward my head, That was stupid. I was upset after that and, Yes, I wanted to mess with you. My apologies.

3  Power armore can be pierced. They can take up to 2500 Joules of force, Yes, this is humongous, will block nearly all weapons a wastelander can own, At some places, yes it will block that in his chest/head/legs/arms. But, It is written nowhere, ( Maybe I didn't look right, if you saw it, I will gladly follow your link. ) how much will take the joints, like, The neck, the hands, the back of the knee and the waist etc. 

4 Fear RP. You say I didn't Fear RP bla bla bla, the only thing I didn't do was Meta. I have no Idea how strong is your Power armore. I have no Idea how much you could kill us both. I had no Idea what was the Enclave. From my point of view, you were some dude in a metal and rubber suit scarring the inhabitants of town, I had to keep my cover so I tried to act like a sheriff.  But, now I know and next time I will meta. I learned my lesson.

Have a nice day, I can't wait to be called a retard and fail RP'er when you read my message. I hope you understood my point of view.
 
Guard55Date: Sunday, 2013-03-31, 8:36 AM | Message # 5
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Uhhh.. When in my right mind would I call somebody mentally handicapped? No I understand, but I would find it quite silly, because you argued with me that power armor isn't invincible. Yes I know it isn't, but it can easily deflect anything that isn't armor piercing. Aside from the fact, I thought you got caught in that little situation with Scarlet when we tried to get her back. I thought you got caught in the crossfire, so I assumed you knew what we were capable of. Anyways, I apologize if I sounded harsh and I forgave you already. It's in the past already and we shouldn't talk about it any further. I wrote this thread just so people can read it and learn from it, nothing more.

 
ElmagicboudhaDate: Sunday, 2013-03-31, 2:26 PM | Message # 6
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Well only thing I knew from enclaves is that they kidnap little girls and, well, that's pretty much it.  No hard feelings. ANd I had a chinese pistol in that cross fire, I don't think it'd pierce metal.
 
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